SCAM!

[tuninho]

I swear i tried, with the best wishes possible, i really opened my mind, i paid attention to the sounds/noises/whatever this is.
I tried to hear it on a chair, on a bed, on the ground even!
I tried with the lights on, off, eyes closed and opened too...
I tried to relax before, to do breathe exercises, everything people tell you to do on this forum...
I tried to vary the doses, to hear to the same dose more than once, to wait between doses and to listen one after another too...
Tried to switch earphones, to disable/enable 3D sounds and sound acelerators.

AND THIS GOD DAMN THING DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!

So, my advice for you is: if you wonder about spending your money buying CD's or doses from this site, get rid of this idea now! Get your money and buy marijuana, crack, opium, cocaine, heroin, whatever you want, but buy the real thing, not a bunch of noises...
AND, for example, smoking weed with ur bro's is much more funnier than keep hearing things for 30+minutes on your ear.

I dont believe i'm a special human being that is imune to these "doses" or whatever you wanna call this...I'm a real and normal guy, and this thing doesnt work, for me and for a lot of people i know.

And even if you say it works for you, dont come and tell me that you had "gone out of your body", that you "talked to your soul" or something like that, the feeling of a sound on your ear will never ever get near from the real feeling.

Well, thats all, i know a lot of you will post here telling me i'm crazy or i've done something wrong, i dont care, i did everything i saw on the FAQ and here on the forum before posting. Hope you understand.

[mistert34]

Well, thats all, i know a lot of you will post here telling me i'm crazy or i've done something wrong, i dont care

Then why did you post if you don't care? Sounds like your just trying to get attention.

[tuninho]

i said i dont care about what people will tell me when they reply...

try to get attention? hahahahah on a forum that only has people wanting to simulate the use of drugs? yeah.....sure...... like i dont have a social life you mean? hehehe

im just trying to tell people to dont waste their money on something useless

[Unnamed]

I dont believe i'm a special human being that is imune to these "doses" or whatever you wanna call this...I'm a real and normal guy, and this thing doesnt work, for me and for a lot of people i know.

No way, I call you out on being fake and wierd!

Seriously though, do you know the amount of neurotransmitters being produced and absorbed in your brain? How about vitamins, amino acids, or enzymes to break down those things and/or drugs?

As far as I know people don't know they are allergic to things until they actually have a reaction(or know they are deficiant in an enzyme ect ect), and I would assume the same is true for those who are "immune" to binaural beats.

And even if you say it works for you, dont come and tell me that you had "gone out of your body", that you "talked to your soul" or something like that, the feeling of a sound on your ear will never ever get near from the real feeling.

Did you even try to make sense here? Binaraul beats have helped plenty of people have out of body experiences(the monroe institute would be the most popular), though of course it won't do all the work for you, just like drugs(and yes, in the beginning when you're still new to them they may push you into these states, but most users do end up relying on drugs for thier experiences which usually result in losing "magic", making things definately "unfunnier" for most). The "feeling" of a sound in your ear produces experiences ranging from joy to excitement to depression to lonliness to comfort, and thats not even counting binaraul beats.

What is this "real" feeling you're talking about, btw, that sound won't be able to come close to? Even with drugs 80%+ of the experience is mental, least that seems to be the most popular opinion(specially with psychedelics that would be more likley to produce the experiences you doubt sound can help aid as well). Does having an outside source really make something more "real", especially when everything we experience is just personally filtered perception anyway that could be completly different then whatever outside source there may or may not be.

I'm not gunna tell you did something wrong, as i really can't read your thoughts. But as how popular it is to call the beats working placebo, I wonder why it isn't as popular to realize them not working could be placebo as well? You went in with the best wishes, but did you still believe it wouldn't work, just like it doesn't work for your friends? Its a better idea to call it a scam then to wonder if you truely are working against it/are immune to it.

[Couch]

well, i haven't had any crazy out of body experiances or talked to my soul. but i do know that it works for me. i know that probably dosn't mean much to you, but i would just like to say that i have had sucess, and it took a while to achieve it

[tuninho]

No way, I call you out on being fake and wierd!

i dont care about what you think

Seriously though, do you know the amount of neurotransmitters being produced and absorbed in your brain? How about vitamins, amino acids, or enzymes to break down those things and/or drugs?

yes, in fact, i do!

As far as I know people don't know they are allergic to things until they actually have a reaction(or know they are deficiant in an enzyme ect ect), and I would assume the same is true for those who are "immune" to binaural beats.

did i say i was imune?

Binaraul beats have helped plenty of people have out of body experiences(the monroe institute would be the most popular)

bullshit, you cant prove it, nobody can, but if you wanna believe, its not my problem...

The "feeling" of a sound in your ear produces experiences ranging from joy to excitement to depression to lonliness to comfort, and thats not even counting binaraul beats.

i'm not even discussing this cr*p with ya dude... any music can make you feel anyway, not only the "magic beats" hahahah

but did you still believe it wouldn't work

did i fucking say that in any part of the main post? if i tried it, of course i was wondering about how i would feel after listening to the beats... id i wasnt believing, i wouldnt even waste my time listening to noises for LOTS of hours

just like it doesn't work for your friends?

by the way, i tried this out before them

Its a better idea to call it a scam then to wonder if you truely are working against it/are immune to it.

if i smoke weed and i'm not immune (for example), how the hell can i be immune to something that stimulates the same areas of the brain?!?!?! only if i was half-deaf or deaf, something that i can tell you i'm not...

[Unnamed]

i dont care about what you think

Of course, why would you? That line though(if you couldn't tell by the "seriously though" directly following it) was a joke, pointing out the absurdity in your claims of being a "normal, real" boy!(see that joke is best read in the voice of pinnoccio)

yes, in fact, i do!

Well, since you're asking for proof I'll go ahead and do the same, but I won't keep my hopes up seeing you've said you're alive and the only way to know the amount of neurotransmitters in the brain require a knife to cut it open. The only thing you could really know would be liver enzymes, and I'm pretty sure not all of them are tested for anyway.

did i say i was imune?

Nope, thats why I pointed it out that "knowing" you're not and it's a scam is the better idea over realizing you might be or just might be working against it.

bullshit, you cant prove it, nobody can, but if you wanna believe, its not my problem...

Uh, I can prove that hundreds of people(at least)that have gone to the monroe institute have had out of body expeirences with the help of binaural beats, if you truely are interested in reading long and boring(at least in I would assume you're eyes) reports/studies/books. There are also numerous obe/ap boards where BWG like programs are used with varying success, much like this one. But for some reason I doubt you're too interested in it, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Plus it's just personal experience(most of the scientific studies with those states haven't really used the beats I don't think, cept the ones linked to monroe institute of course), so I doubt it would convince you anyway, just allow you more people to call "stupid" for falling for something thats obviously not "real", since you are unable to make it work for you.

i'm not even discussing this cr*p with ya dude... any music can make you feel anyway, not only the "magic beats" hahahah

I don't blame you, especially if the best you can come up with is changing around the exact thing that I just said in a much more immature manner.

did i fucking say that in any part of the main post? if i tried it, of course i was wondering about how i would feel after listening to the beats... id i wasnt believing, i wouldnt even waste my time listening to noises for LOTS of hours

You said you hoped, which is different then belief, as in how you "knew" you aren't immune, that's a belief. You "hoping" that it has an effect, while probably in the back of your mind not buying it(this is also an assumption, based on your posts(it's not what you say, but what you imply), and I apoligize if it is incorrect) is something different. After that first time where nothing happened I'm sure that belief of it not working just got stronger and stronger, since as I said it's alot more comfortable to place blame away from onesself.

by the way, i tried this out before them

Ahh, so you're the one who influenced them then? Reassurance is a comfortable thing as well.

if i smoke weed and i'm not immune (for example), how the hell can i be immune to something that stimulates the same areas of the brain?!?!?! only if i was half-deaf or deaf, something that i can tell you i'm not...

Well as you've already noticed(and complained about), the "noise" is somewhat different then imbibing a chemical that usually is sure to produce a reaction in the human body. Especially if the "noise" needs more work to go into it.


A little bit off topic, but has anyone else noticed that the people this program doesn't work for seem to be alot more angry(and a little bit more then the "i spent my money and it doesn't work" way) and set in thier ways/beliefs then others? They also seem to be extremely close minded and somewhat immature("BLAH BLAH NOT REALLZ HAHAOMGZZZ FUCK this ISTz STOOIPID + IMPOSSIBAL!!!!!" as a loose example of all of the above), I wonder if this has anything to do with it?

[Blue_Crayon]

yeah...it doesnt do a damn thing for me anymore...

it used to work...but thats when i wanted it to work really bad..

now when i use it i dont expect anything...and i dont end up feeling anything..

that pretty much convinced me its all in the head...

[tuninho]

Dear Unnamed,

I read your last post and since i dont wanna discuss hours and hours , for example, about people that SAY they had gone out of their bodies or whatever you wanna call that, i dont wanna complain about what you think or about what i think, ok?

About what you wrote at the end, immature? hahahahaha oh my god man, you use a sound to simulate the use of drugs, maybe because you are afraid to use the real ones or whatever, i used it to test the effects and so, but damn you seem to defent it like it was your only way to live, and you call ME immature? But ok, lets stop supposing things...Since im kinda happy to see that Blue_Crayon agrees that it doesnt work anymore, just like me

[Unnamed]

Dear Tuninho,

I don't see how meditation is immature(with or without any of the aids currently available to us), and no, your assumption that I am afraid to use drugs is wrong(i note you didn't correct any of mine, so i must assume they were right). And yes, I made an observation that implied you may be immature, and you proved my point splendidly if I do say so myself.

And great, 1 person agrees with you. If you look at the official poll of this type you'll see about 20% of the users do agree with you, which is a little higher then the 10% they advertised, but still understandable with a wider market, if they truely are "immune". That still doesn't mean it doesn't work, just that it either doesn't work for you, or that you were unable to make it work. This isn't an assumption btw, as there is plenty of scientific support behind binaural beats...it does do something.

And like i said(and you ignored) just like the real drugs, they do enough to allow you to make whatever you want happen within the confines of the mindstates attainable(mostly mental, or everything is placebo). Once a person realizes there are no confines(or more likley that they are placed and maintained by conditioning and habit), the drugs and eventually the soundwaves might not even be needed. Why do you think monks spend thier lives in meditative states? Oh right, they are immature.

Actually this reminds me of a story of one of those monks, who spent his life in meditation before coming to america and becoming interested in the experience of acid. He ended up trying it one day, spending that day just as he normally would, as if nothing had changed.

[tuninho]

im not ever reading to these things u write anymore... what i know is that this thing doesnt work and I(i mean I, not we, not you, not us....) have been scammed, spending my time and money in a thing that doesnt work...
by the way i'm leaving this topic...

[-Almost]

Works for me beautifully. I used to think this was a complete scam, so my friend, who turned me on to Binaural Brainwave beats, gave me the Peyote dose.

Unbelievable experience, my walls were green, morphing into read and pink, there where black holes in the ground constantly reappearing and disappearing. Much much more.

This is definitely not a scam.

[mistert34]

Well this is what I have to say. I have no reason to ponder upon what you say, thus I have found a cheap and legal way of getting FUCKED UP

And let me add that im sorry it dosent work for you, cus its a shit ton o' fun.

[nwa]

I swear i tried, with the best wishes possible, i really opened my mind, i paid attention to the sounds/noises/whatever this is.
I tried to hear it on a chair, on a bed, on the ground even!
I tried with the lights on, off, eyes closed and opened too...
I tried to relax before, to do breathe exercises, everything people tell you to do on this forum...
I tried to vary the doses, to hear to the same dose more than once, to wait between doses and to listen one after another too...
Tried to switch earphones, to disable/enable 3D sounds and sound acelerators.

AND THIS GOD DAMN THING DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!

So, my advice for you is: if you wonder about spending your money buying CD's or doses from this site, get rid of this idea now! Get your money and buy marijuana, crack, opium, cocaine, heroin, whatever you want, but buy the real thing, not a bunch of noises...
AND, for example, smoking weed with ur bro's is much more funnier than keep hearing things for 30+minutes on your ear.

I dont believe i'm a special human being that is imune to these "doses" or whatever you wanna call this...I'm a real and normal guy, and this thing doesnt work, for me and for a lot of people i know.

And even if you say it works for you, dont come and tell me that you had "gone out of your body", that you "talked to your soul" or something like that, the feeling of a sound on your ear will never ever get near from the real feeling.

Well, thats all, i know a lot of you will post here telling me i'm crazy or i've done something wrong, i dont care, i did everything i saw on the FAQ and here on the forum before posting. Hope you understand.

i have an idea ever try studying meditation if not learn it, cherish it, it will make the program better and be more relaxed if anything smoke sum bud before it it will bring the better out of I-Doser

[Vale]

Well, there are people who tried everything and never got an effect.
However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work on EVERYone. Most of people get the effect.
I as a person who knows much about brainwaves know that these DO work on most people.

So if it didn't work, I'm sorry, I guess you should give up and try the real thing.