Binaural Forum

I've been an iDoser user for some time (and of some other binaural/monaural/isochronic beats systems, also), and have realized that most of the people fell an alteration of the time perception while using binaural beats. But I've seen it always treated as a side effect of the doses, and never as the main one. I think it would be really interesting having a dose for making the world "slow down", to accelerate the time perception and the brain itself.

I think it could be done by mixing the usual binaural beats with the Risset rhythm illusion (or the Shepard tone, as the two are actually the same in different scales): we could trick the brain to hear an always accelerating rhythm, generated by itself (inside the brain), and so make it think that the brain is going faster than usual (and hope that it would adapt).

This dose, by altering directly the velocity of "sampling" the brain uses on the senses, could help studying (improving the amount of information stored in the same time), making decisions... And I think it would become, by using Risset/Shepard illusion, one of the most powerful doses ever done.

Sorry son I already came up with that... some year and a half ago

http://www.i-doser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6505

Ordinator wrote:Sorry son I already came up with that... some year and a half ago

http://www.i-doser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6505

I'm not sure this is exactly the same. Also, I'm already giving the iDoser team the tool for making this dose real, with the help of the Risset rhythm. And the dose is not meant to make time pass (slow down the brain), but to make time last longer (along the lines of the last comment on your topic).

BTW, I don't think it's a problem if we both got the same idea, that only means that this could be a dose worth its price.

So can you tell us a bit more about the Risset rhythm illusion?

It's a technique for making a beat seem to be always accelerating or decelerating. It's actually quite simple (for what I know): you make an accelerating beat fading in and out, and repeat that same piece making sure one begins when the other is on its maximum. That way the brain "slides" from one beat to another, without taking notice of the change, and thinks its all part of the same beat, an always accelerating one.

I'm not very good at explaining it, but you can found a better explanation on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone

And some examples and more info on
http://gethighnow.com/risset-rhythm/
http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/826

(I hope there is no problem with linking this resources, if there is, just tell me).

The Shepard tone is actually the same, just "faster" enough to be on the frequency level, and not the beat one. This makes it seem to be an "always accelerating frequency", which is a tone getting higher pitch continuously. But the principle is the same.
When speaking of binaural beats, it's quite funny, as for us the two effects are exactly the same: our 2 Hz sounds are the same as a 2 Hz beat, and the effect is the same if we speak of rhythm or pitch.

BTW, sorry for my English ^^u

Greezael wrote:BTW, I don't think it's a problem if we both got the same idea

Of course it's not. Maybe my first post in the topic was a little... rude?! I'm sorry if it was.

You have a good idea here, I hope it goes through.

yeah same .... i love it too it may be cool

This would be great, I'd love to do this for sports, increased reaction time, faster reflexs, plus the shear fact that everything is going slower than usually. Oh yes!