What should I try first?

420master · Post by **420master** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:19 am

So are you implying that lucid dream aren't real??????

cameraboirzu · Post by **cameraboirzu** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:27 am

I'm implying that they are real, but nothing outside of you realizing that your dreaming. I don't think any dream characters you meet are real people dreaming just like the person having a lucid dream; some will disagree, and some will agree.

Lucid dreams deffinitely are real though.

420master · Post by **420master** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:29 am

dude lucid dreams are as real as you make them. For example say i want to see my dead father, I think him up in front of me and chat away. It will seem plenty real.

cameraboirzu · Post by **cameraboirzu** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:35 am

That's not what I mean.
If you go to sleep tonight and lucidly dream that you came up to a friend of yours and punched him, he won't have a dream that includes him getting punched by you.

I can talk to you in my sleep, but you won't experience it in yours. We aren't all connected through sleep is what I'm saying.

420master · Post by **420master** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:36 am

oh yeah the whole idea of the "lucid crossroads" is insanity... I see what you mean

cameraboirzu · Post by **cameraboirzu** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:40 am

I don't beleive in that. I hope you didn't find offense to the earlier post btw.

B-savage · Post by **B-savage** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:46 am

i heard that scenario is in fact possible while astral projecting.

cameraboirzu · Post by **cameraboirzu** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:51 am

B-savage wrote:i heard that scenario is in fact possible while astral projecting.

I still call BS on that too. But if someone claims they have met other people and they can vouche for them then that should be good for them.

I know that sounded rediculous. I'm very tired.

B-savage · Post by **B-savage** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:53 am

mmm i agree, i dont 100% agree with it either but when i can acheive astral projection i will be definitely be experimenting with it

cameraboirzu · Post by **cameraboirzu** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:19 am

B-savage wrote:mmm i agree, i dont 100% agree with it either but when i can acheive astral projection i will be definitely be experimenting with it

Good luck. I got stuck at the vibrational state. I gave up though.

B-savage · Post by **B-savage** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:21 am

my problem with it and also when i dose is focusing. I cant seem to clear my mind at all. any suggestions? I tried the counting thing with both but got nothing but a wondering mind

420master · Post by **420master** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:23 am

B-savage wrote:my problem with it and also when i dose is focusing. I cant seem to clear my mind at all. any suggestions? I tried the counting thing with both but got nothing but a wondering mind

what technique do you use?

B-savage · Post by **B-savage** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:31 am

well i started with a hemi-sync guided meditation but that didnt work so well.
now i'm just kinda freestyling it with no success

what technique do you suggest?

420master · Post by **420master** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:26 am

B-savage wrote:well i started with a hemi-sync guided meditation but that didnt work so well.
now i'm just kinda freestyling it with no success

what technique do you suggest?

The Lift up technique works the best for me... I like the rope technique as well though.

cameraboirzu · Post by **cameraboirzu** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:14 am

B-savage wrote:well i started with a hemi-sync guided meditation but that didnt work so well.
now i'm just kinda freestyling it with no success

what technique do you suggest?

When I was still trying to Astral Project I didn't use I-Doser for it. I would lay down in a comfortable position, and begin counting my breaths (one....two....one....two...)

I would then start repeating a phrase over and over again; almost telling myself to leave my body. My phrase would usually be, "I fly" or "pull up"
At some point during all of this my heart would speed up and then I would get "electric like" shoots of energy through my limbs. It gets quite hard to focus during it, which I think was my problem.

I beleive if you get further, you enter a hypnogogic state, and then you are able to Astral Project. I may be wrong though.

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